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Canon G15 vs Canon M

The Canon PowerShot G15 and the Canon EOS M are two digital cameras that were announced, respectively, in September 2012 and July 2012. The G15 is a fixed lens compact, while the Canon M is a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. The cameras are based on a 1/1.7-inch (G15) and an APS-C (Canon M) sensor. The G15 has a resolution of 12 megapixels, whereas the Canon M provides 17.9 MP.

Below is an overview of the main specs of the two cameras as a starting point for the comparison.

Headline Specifications
Canon G15
versus
Canon M
Canon G15 Canon M
Fixed lens compact camera Mirrorless system camera
28-140mm f/1.8-2.8 Canon EF-M mount lenses
12 MP, 1/1.7" Sensor 17.9 MP, APS-C Sensor
1080/24p Video 1080/30p Video
ISO 80-12,800 ISO 100-12,800 (100 - 25,600)
Optical viewfinder No viewfinder, LCD framing
3.0 LCD, 922k dots 3.0 LCD, 1040k dots
Fixed screen (not touch-sensitive) Fixed touchscreen
2.1 shutter flaps per second 4.3 shutter flaps per second
350 shots per battery charge230 shots per battery charge
107 x 76 x 40 mm, 352 g 109 x 66 x 32 mm, 298 g

Going beyond this snapshot of core features and characteristics, what are the differences between the Canon PowerShot G15 and the Canon EOS M? Which one should you buy? Read on to find out how these two cameras compare with respect to their body size, their imaging sensors, their shooting features, their input-output connections, and their reception by expert reviewers.

Body comparison

An illustration of the physical size and weight of the Canon G15 and the Canon M is provided in the side-by-side display below. The two cameras are presented according to their relative size. Three consecutive perspectives from the front, the top, and the back are available. All size dimensions are rounded to the nearest millimeter.

The Canon M can be obtained in two different colors (black, white), while the G15 is only available in black.

Size Canon G15 vs Canon M
Compare G15 versus Canon M top
Comparison G15 or Canon M rear

If the front view area (width x height) of the cameras is taken as an aggregate measure of their size, the Canon M is notably smaller (12 percent) than the Canon G15. In this context, it is worth noting that neither the G15 nor the Canon M are weather-sealed.

The above size and weight comparisons are to some extent incomplete and possibly misleading, as the G15 has a lens built in, whereas the Canon M is an interchangeable lens camera that requires a separate lens. Attaching the latter will add extra weight and bulk to the setup.

Concerning battery life, the G15 gets 350 shots out of its NB-10L battery, while the Canon M can take 230 images on a single charge of its LP-E12 power pack.

The table below summarizes the key physical specs of the two cameras alongside a broader set of comparators. In case you want to display and compare another camera duo, you can use the CAM-parator app to select your camera combination among a large number of options.

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Body Specifications
    Camera
Model
Camera
Width
Camera
Height
Camera
Depth
Camera
Weight
Battery
Life
Weather
Sealing
Camera
Launch
Launch
Price (USD)
Street
Price
1.
 
Canon G15 107 mm 76 mm 40 mm 352 g 350 n Sep 2012 499 i
2.
 
Canon M 109 mm 66 mm 32 mm 298 g 230 n Jul 2012 599 i
3.
 
Canon M100 108 mm 67 mm 35 mm 302 g 295 n Aug 2017 499 i
4.
 
Canon M10 108 mm 67 mm 35 mm 301 g 255 n Oct 2015 499 i
5.
 
Canon SX60 128 mm 93 mm 114 mm 650 g 340 n Sep 2014 549 i
6.
 
Canon G16 109 mm 76 mm 40 mm 356 g 360 n Aug 2013 549 i
7.
 
Canon SL1 117 mm 91 mm 69 mm 407 g 380 n Mar 2013 549 i
8.
 
Canon T5i 133 mm 100 mm 79 mm 580 g 440 n Mar 2013 649 i
9.
 
Canon S120 100 mm 59 mm 29 mm 217 g 230 n Aug 2013 449 i
10.
 
Canon SX50 123 mm 87 mm 106 mm 595 g 315 n Sep 2012 429 i
11.
 
Canon T3i 133 mm 100 mm 80 mm 570 g 440 n Feb 2011 599 i
12.
 
Canon G12 112 mm 76 mm 48 mm 401 g 370 n Sep 2010 499 i
13.
 
Fujifilm X20 117 mm 70 mm 57 mm 353 g 270 n Jan 2013 599 i
14.
 
Fujifilm X10 117 mm 70 mm 57 mm 350 g 270 n Sep 2011 599 i
15.
 
Nikon P7800 119 mm 78 mm 50 mm 399 g 350 n Sep 2013 549 i
16.
 
Panasonic LX7 111 mm 68 mm 46 mm 298 g 330 n Jul 2012 499 i
17.
 
Panasonic FZ150 124 mm 82 mm 92 mm 528 g 410 n Aug 2011 499 i
Notes: Measurements and pricing do not include easily detachable parts, such as add-on or interchangeable lenses or optional viewfinders.

Any camera decision will obviously take relative prices into account. The listed launch prices provide an indication of the market segment that the manufacturer of the cameras have been targeting. The G15 was launched at a lower price than the Canon M, despite having a lens built in. Usually, retail prices stay at first close to the launch price, but after several months, discounts become available. Later in the product cycle and, in particular, when the replacement model is about to appear, further discounting and stock clearance sales often push the camera price considerably down. Then, after the new model is out, very good deals can frequently be found on the pre-owned market.

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Sensor comparison

The size of the sensor inside a digital camera is one of the key determinants of image quality. A large sensor will generally have larger individual pixels that offer better low-light sensitivity, provide wider dynamic range, and have richer color-depth than smaller pixels in a sensor of the same technological generation. Further, a large sensor camera will give the photographer additional creative options when using shallow depth-of-field to isolate a subject from its background. On the downside, larger sensors are more costly to manufacture and tend to lead to bigger and heavier cameras and lenses.

Of the two cameras under consideration, the Canon G15 features a 1/1.7-inch sensor and the Canon M an APS-C sensor. The sensor area in the Canon M is 672 percent bigger. As a result of these sensor size differences, the cameras have a format factor of, respectively, 4.6 and 1.6. The sensor in the G15 has a native 4:3 aspect ratio, while the one in the Canon M offers a 3:2 aspect.

Canon G15 and Canon M sensor measures

With 17.9MP, the Canon M offers a higher resolution than the G15 (12MP), but the Canon M nevertheless has larger individual pixels (pixel pitch of 4.31μm versus 1.89μm for the G15) due to its larger sensor. It is noteworthy in this context that the two cameras were released in close succession, so that their sensors are from the same technological generation.

The resolution advantage of the Canon M implies greater flexibility for cropping images or the possibility to print larger pictures. The maximum print size of the Canon M for good quality output (200 dots per inch) amounts to 25.9 x 17.3 inches or 65.8 x 43.9 cm, for very good quality (250 dpi) 20.7 x 13.8 inches or 52.7 x 35.1 cm, and for excellent quality (300 dpi) 17.3 x 11.5 inches or 43.9 x 29.3 cm. The corresponding values for the Canon G15 are 20 x 15 inches or 50.8 x 38.1 cm for good quality, 16 x 12 inches or 40.6 x 30.5 cm for very good quality, and 13.3 x 10 inches or 33.9 x 25.4 cm for excellent quality prints.

The Canon M has on-sensor phase detect pixels, which results in fast and reliable autofocus acquisition even during live view operation.

The Canon PowerShot G15 has a native sensitivity range from ISO 80 to ISO 12800. The corresponding ISO settings for the Canon EOS M are ISO 100 to ISO 12800, with the possibility to increase the ISO range to 100-25600.

G15 versus Canon M MP

Consistent information on actual sensor performance is available from DXO Mark for many cameras. This service is based on lab testing and assigns an overall score to each camera sensor, as well as ratings for dynamic range ("DXO Landscape"), color depth ("DXO Portrait"), and low-light sensitivity ("DXO Sports"). Of the two cameras under consideration, the Canon M offers substantially better image quality than the G15 (overall score 19 points higher). The advantage is based on 2.2 bits higher color depth, 0.3 EV of lower dynamic range, and 2.3 stops in additional low light sensitivity. The following table provides an overview of the physical sensor characteristics, as well as the sensor quality measurements for a selection of comparators.

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Sensor Characteristics
    Camera
Model
Sensor
Class
Resolution
(MP)
Horiz.
Pixels
Vert.
Pixels
Video
Format
DXO
Portrait
DXO
Landscape
DXO
Sports
DXO
Overall
1.
 
Canon G15 1/1.7 12.0 4000 30001080/24p19.911.5165 46
2.
 
Canon M APS-C 17.9 5184 34561080/30p22.111.2827 65
3.
 
Canon M100 APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/60p23.512.91272 78
4.
 
Canon M10 APS-C 17.9 5184 34561080/30p22.211.4753 65
5.
 
Canon SX60 1/2.3 14.2 4608 30721080/60p19.210.8127 39
6.
 
Canon G16 1/1.7 12.0 4000 30001080/60p21.011.7230 54
7.
 
Canon SL1 APS-C 17.9 5184 34561080/30p21.811.3843 63
8.
 
Canon T5i APS-C 17.9 5184 34561080/30p21.711.2681 61
9.
 
Canon S120 1/1.7 12.0 4000 30001080/60p21.311.9246 56
10.
 
Canon SX50 1/2.3 12.0 4000 30001080/24p20.311.2179 47
11.
 
Canon T3i APS-C 17.9 5184 34561080/30p22.111.5793 65
12.
 
Canon G12 1/1.7 10.0 3648 2736720/24p20.411.2161 47
13.
 
Fujifilm X20 2/3 12.0 4000 30001080/60p...... ..
14.
 
Fujifilm X10 2/3 12.0 4000 30001080/30p20.511.3245 50
15.
 
Nikon P7800 1/1.7 12.0 4000 30001080/30p21.211.7200 54
16.
 
Panasonic LX7 1/1.7 10.0 3648 27361080/60p20.711.7147 50
17.
 
Panasonic FZ150 1/2.3 12.0 4000 30001080/60p19.410.9132 40

Many modern cameras are not only capable of taking still images, but can also record movies. Both cameras under consideration are equipped with sensors that have a sufficiently high read-out speed for moving images, but the Canon M provides a faster frame rate than the G15. It can shoot movie footage at 1080/30p, while the G15 is limited to 1080/24p.

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Feature comparison

Apart from body and sensor, cameras can and do differ across a range of features. For example, the G15 has an optical viewfinder, which can be very useful when shooting in bright sunlight. In contrast, the Canon M relies on live view and the rear LCD for framing. The adjacent table lists some of the other core features of the Canon G15 and Canon M along with similar information for a selection of comparators.

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Core Features
    Camera
Model
Viewfinder
(Type or
000 dots)
Control
Panel
(yes/no)
LCD
Size
(inch)
LCD
Resolution
(000 dots)
LCD
Attach-
ment
Touch
Screen
(yes/no)
Mech
Shutter
Speed
Shutter
Flaps
(1/sec)
Built-in
Flash
(yes/no)
Built-in
Image
Stab
1.
 
Canon G15optical n 3.0 922 fixed n 1/4000s 2.1 Y Y
2.
 
Canon Mnone n 3.0 1040 fixed Y 1/4000s 4.3 n n
3.
 
Canon M100none n 3.0 1040 tilting Y 1/4000s 6.1 Y n
4.
 
Canon M10none n 3.0 1040 tilting Y 1/4000s 4.6 Y n
5.
 
Canon SX60922 n 3.0 922 swivel n 1/2000s 6.4 Y Y
6.
 
Canon G16optical n 3.0 922 fixed n 1/4000s 2.2 Y Y
7.
 
Canon SL1optical n 3.0 1040 fixed Y 1/4000s 4.9 Y n
8.
 
Canon T5ioptical n 3.0 1040 swivel Y 1/4000s 5.0 Y n
9.
 
Canon S120none n 3.0 922 fixed Y 1/2000s 12.1 Y Y
10.
 
Canon SX50202 n 3.0 461 swivel n 1/2000s 2.2 Y Y
11.
 
Canon T3ioptical n 3.0 1040 swivel n 1/4000s 3.7 Y n
12.
 
Canon G12optical n 2.8 461 swivel n 1/4000s 1.1 Y Y
13.
 
Fujifilm X20optical n 2.8 460 fixed n 1/4000s 12.0 Y Y
14.
 
Fujifilm X10optical n 2.8 460 fixed n 1/4000s 10.0 Y Y
15.
 
Nikon P7800921 n 3.0 921 swivel n 1/4000s 8.0 Y Y
16.
 
Panasonic LX7optional n 3.0 920 fixed n 1/4000s 11.0 Y Y
17.
 
Panasonic FZ150202 n 3.0 460 swivel n 1/2000s 12.0 Y Y

One difference between the cameras concerns the presence of an on-board flash. The G15 has one, while the Canon M does not. While the built-in flash of the G15 is not very powerful, it can at times be useful as a fill-in light.

Concerning the storage of imaging data, both the G15 and the Canon M write their files to SDXC cards. The Canon M supports UHS-I cards (Ultra High Speed data transfer of up to 104 MB/s), while the G15 cannot take advantage of Ultra High Speed SD cards.

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Connectivity comparison

For some imaging applications, the extent to which a camera can communicate with its environment can be an important aspect in the camera decision process. The table below provides an overview of the connectivity of the Canon PowerShot G15 and Canon EOS M and, in particular, the interfaces the cameras (and selected comparators) provide for accessory control and data transfer.

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Input-Output Connections
    Camera
Model
Hotshoe
Port
Internal
Microphone
Internal
Speaker
Microphone
Port
Headphone
Port
HDMI
Port
USB
Port
WiFi
Support
NFC
Support
Bluetooth
Support
1.
 
Canon G15Ystereomono--mini2.0---
2.
 
Canon MYstereomonoY-mini2.0---
3.
 
Canon M100-stereomono--micro2.0YYY
4.
 
Canon M10-stereomono--mini2.0YY-
5.
 
Canon SX60YstereomonoY-mini2.0YY-
6.
 
Canon G16Ystereomono--mini2.0Y--
7.
 
Canon SL1YmonomonoY-mini2.0---
8.
 
Canon T5iYstereomonoY-mini2.0---
9.
 
Canon S120-stereomono--mini2.0Y--
10.
 
Canon SX50Ystereomono--mini2.0---
11.
 
Canon T3iYmonomonoY-mini2.0---
12.
 
Canon G12Ystereomono--mini2.0---
13.
 
Fujifilm X20Ystereomono--micro2.0---
14.
 
Fujifilm X10Ystereomono--mini2.0---
15.
 
Nikon P7800YstereomonoY-mini2.0---
16.
 
Panasonic LX7Ystereomono--mini2.0---
17.
 
Panasonic FZ150Ystereo---mini2.0---

It is notable that the Canon M has a microphone port, which can help to improve the quality of audio recordings by attaching an external microphone. The G15 does not feature such a mic input.

Both the G15 and the Canon M have been discontinued, but can regularly be found used on eBay. The Canon M was replaced by the Canon EOS M3, while the G15 was followed by the Canon G16. Further information on the two cameras (e.g. user guides, manuals), as well as related accessories, can be found on the official Canon website.

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Review summary

So what conclusions can be drawn? Is there a clear favorite between the Canon G15 and the Canon M? Which camera is better? A synthesis of the relative strong points of each of the models is listed below.


Advantages of the Canon PowerShot G15:

  • Easier framing: Has an optical viewfinder for image composition and settings control.
  • Ready to shoot: Has a lens built-in, whereas the Canon M requires a separate lens.
  • Longer lasting: Can take more shots (350 versus 230) on a single battery charge.
  • Sharper images: Has hand-shake reducing image stabilization built-in.
  • Easier fill-in: Is equipped with a small onboard flash to brighten deep shadow areas.
  • More affordable: Was introduced at a lower price, despite coming with a built-in lens.


Arguments in favor of the Canon EOS M:

  • More detail: Has more megapixels (17.9 vs 12MP), which boosts linear resolution by 25%.
  • Better image quality: Scores substantially higher (19 points) in the DXO overall evaluation.
  • Richer colors: Generates noticeably more natural colors (2.2 bits more color depth).
  • Better low-light sensitivity: Can shoot in dim conditions (2.3 stops ISO advantage).
  • Better video: Provides higher movie framerates (1080/30p versus 1080/24p).
  • Better live-view autofocus: Features on-sensor phase-detection for more confident autofocus.
  • Better sound: Can connect to an external microphone for higher quality sound recording.
  • More detailed LCD: Has a higher resolution rear screen (1040k vs 922k dots).
  • Fewer buttons to press: Has a touchscreen to facilitate handling and shooting adjustments.
  • Faster burst: Shoots at higher frequency (4.3 vs 2.1 flaps/sec) to capture the decisive moment.
  • More flexible: Takes interchangeable lenses and can thus be used with specialty optics.
  • More compact: Is smaller (109x66mm vs 107x76mm) and will fit more readily into a bag.
  • Faster buffer clearing: Has an SD card interface that supports the UHS-I standard.

If the count of individual advantages (bullet points above) is taken as a guide, the Canon M is the clear winner of the contest (13 : 6 points). However, the relative importance of the various individual camera aspects will vary according to personal preferences and needs, so that you might like to apply corresponding weights to the particular features before making a decision on a new camera. A professional wildlife photographer will view the differences between cameras in a way that diverges from the perspective of a family photog, and a person interested in architecture has distinct needs from a sports shooter. Hence, the decision which camera is best and worth buying is often a very personal one.

G15 06:13 Canon M

How about other alternatives? Do the specifications of the Canon G15 and the Canon M place the cameras among the top in their class? Find out in the latest Best Travel-Zoom Camera and Best Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera listings whether the two cameras rank among the cream of the crop.

In any case, while the comparison of the spec-sheets of cameras can offer a general idea of their imaging potential, it remains partial and cannot reveal, for example, the shooting experience and imaging performance when actually working with the G15 or the Canon M. User reviews, such as those found at amazon, can sometimes inform about these issues, but such feedback is often incomplete, inconsistent, and biased.

Expert reviews

This is why hands-on reviews by experts are important. The table below provides a synthesis of the camera assessments of some of the best known photo-gear review sites (amateurphotographer [AP], cameralabs [CL], dpreview [DPR], ephotozine [EPZ], photographyblog [PB]). As can be seen, the professional reviewers agree in many cases on the quality of different cameras, but sometimes their assessments diverge, reinforcing the earlier point that a camera decision is often a very personal choice.

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Expert Camera Reviews
     Camera 
 Model 
 AP 
 score 
 CL 
 score 
 DPR 
 score 
 EPZ 
 score 
 PB 
 score 
Camera
Launch
Launch
Price (USD)
Street
Price
1.
 
Canon G154/5+76/1004.5/54.5/5 Sep 2012 499 i
2.
 
Canon M3/5+..4/54/5 Jul 2012 599 i
3.
 
Canon M1003/5+..4/53.5/5 Aug 2017 499 i
4.
 
Canon M10........4/5 Oct 2015 499 i
5.
 
Canon SX603/5+ +75/1004/54.5/5 Sep 2014 549 i
6.
 
Canon G164/5+..4.5/54.5/5 Aug 2013 549 i
7.
 
Canon SL14/5+78/1004/54/5 Mar 2013 549 i
8.
 
Canon T5i....76/1004.5/54.5/5 Mar 2013 649 i
9.
 
Canon S120..+ +..4.5/54.5/5 Aug 2013 449 i
10.
 
Canon SX503/5+ +72/1004.5/54.5/5 Sep 2012 429 i
11.
 
Canon T3i3/5o77/1004.5/54.5/5 Feb 2011 599 i
12.
 
Canon G124/5+73/1004.5/54.5/5 Sep 2010 499 i
13.
 
Fujifilm X204/5+ +77/1004.5/55/5 Jan 2013 599 i
14.
 
Fujifilm X10....76/1004/54.5/5 Sep 2011 599 i
15.
 
Nikon P78003/5....4/54.5/5 Sep 2013 549 i
16.
 
Panasonic LX73/5+ +75/1004/54.5/5 Jul 2012 499 i
17.
 
Panasonic FZ1503/5+ +76/1004/54.5/5 Aug 2011 499 i
Notes: (+ +) highly recommended; (+) recommended; (o) reviewed; (..) not available.

Care should be taken when interpreting the review scores above, though. The ratings are only valid when referring to cameras in the same category and of the same age. Hence, a score should always be seen in the context of the camera's market launch date and its price, and rating-comparisons among cameras that span long time periods or concern very differently equipped models make little sense. Also, kindly note that some of the listed sites have over time developped their review approaches and their reporting style.

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    Specifications: Canon G15 vs Canon M

    Below is a side-by-side comparison of the specs of the two cameras to facilitate a quick review of their differences and common features.

    Camera Specifications
    Camera Model Canon G15 Canon M
    Camera Type Fixed lens compact camera Mirrorless system camera
    Camera Lens 28-140mm f/1.8-2.8 Canon EF-M mount lenses
    Launch Date September 2012 July 2012
    Launch Price USD 499 USD 599
    Sensor Specs Canon G15 Canon M
    Sensor Technology CMOS CMOS
    Sensor Format 1/1.7" Sensor APS-C Sensor
    Sensor Size 7.6 x 5.7 mm 22.3 x 14.9 mm
    Sensor Area 43.32 mm2 332.27 mm2
    Sensor Diagonal 9.5 mm 26.8 mm
    Crop Factor 4.6x 1.6x
    Sensor Resolution 12 Megapixels 17.9 Megapixels
    Image Resolution 4000 x 3000 pixels 5184 x 3456 pixels
    Pixel Pitch 1.89 μm 4.31 μm
    Pixel Density 27.70 MP/cm2 5.39 MP/cm2
    Moiré control Anti-Alias filter Anti-Alias filter
    Movie Capability 1080/24p Video 1080/30p Video
    ISO Setting 80 - 12,800 ISO 100 - 12,800 ISO
    ISO Boost no Enhancement 100 - 25,600 ISO
    Image Processor DIGIC 5 DIGIC V
    DXO Sensor Quality (score) 46 65
    DXO Color Depth (bits) 19.9 22.1
    DXO Dynamic Range (EV) 11.5 11.2
    DXO Low Light (ISO) 165 827
    Screen Specs Canon G15 Canon M
    Viewfinder Type Optical viewfinder no viewfinder
    Viewfinder Field of View 80%
    Viewfinder Magnification
    LCD Framing Live View Live View
    Rear LCD Size 3.0inch 3.0inch
    LCD Resolution 922k dots 1040k dots
    LCD Attachment Fixed screen Fixed screen
    Touch Input no Touchscreen Touchscreen
    Shooting Specs Canon G15 Canon M
    Focus System Contrast-detect AF On-Sensor Phase-detect
    Continuous Shooting 2.1 shutter flaps/s 4.3 shutter flaps/s
    Fill Flash Built-in Flash no On-Board Flash
    Storage Medium SDXC cards SDXC cards
    Second Storage Option Single card slot Single card slot
    UHS card support no UHS-I
    Connectivity Specs Canon G15 Canon M
    External Flash Hotshoe Hotshoe
    USB Connector USB 2.0 USB 2.0
    HDMI Port mini HDMI mini HDMI
    Microphone Port no MIC socket External MIC port
    Wifi Support no Wifi no Wifi
    Body Specs Canon G15 Canon M
    Battery Type NB-10L LP-E12
    Battery Life (CIPA)350 shots per charge230 shots per charge
    Body Dimensions 107 x 76 x 40 mm
    (4.2 x 3.0 x 1.6 in)
    109 x 66 x 32 mm
    (4.3 x 2.6 x 1.3 in)
    Camera Weight 352 g (12.4 oz) 298 g (10.5 oz)

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