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Leica TL2 vs M8

The Leica TL2 and the Leica M8 are two digital cameras that were revealed to the public, respectively, in July 2017 and September 2006. The TL2 is a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera, while the M8 is a rangefinder-focusing mirrorless. The cameras are based on an APS-C (TL2) and an APS-H (M8) sensor. The TL2 has a resolution of 24.1 megapixels, whereas the M8 provides 10.4 MP.

Below is an overview of the main specs of the two cameras as a starting point for the comparison.

Headline Specifications
Leica TL2
versus
Leica M8
Leica TL2   Leica M8
Mirrorless system camera Rangefinder camera
Leica T mount lenses Leica M mount lenses
24.1 MP – APS-C sensor 10.4 MP – APS-H sensor
4K/30p Video no Video
ISO 100-50,000 ISO 160-2,500
Viewfinder optional Optical viewfinder
3.7" LCD – 1230k dots 2.5" LCD – 230k dots
Fixed touchscreen Fixed screen (not touch-sensitive)
7 shutter flaps per second 2 shutter flaps per second
250 shots per battery charge550 shots per battery charge
134 x 69 x 33 mm, 399 g 139 x 80 x 37 mm, 591 g
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Going beyond this snapshot of core features and characteristics, what are the differences between the Leica TL2 and the Leica M8? Which one should you buy? Read on to find out how these two cameras compare with respect to their body size, their imaging sensors, their shooting features, their input-output connections, and their reception by expert reviewers.

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Body comparison

An illustration of the physical size and weight of the Leica TL2 and the Leica M8 is provided in the side-by-side display below. The two cameras are presented according to their relative size. Three consecutive perspectives from the front, the top, and the back are available. All size dimensions are rounded to the nearest millimeter.

Both cameras are available in two different colors (black, silver).

Size Leica TL2 vs Leica M8
Compare TL2 versus M8 top
Comparison TL2 or M8 rear

If the front view area (width x height) of the cameras is taken as an aggregate measure of their size, the Leica M8 is notably larger (20 percent) than the Leica TL2. Moreover, the M8 is substantially heavier (48 percent) than the TL2. In this context, it is worth noting that neither the TL2 nor the M8 are weather-sealed.

The above size and weight comparisons are to some extent incomplete since they do not consider the interchangeable lenses that both of these cameras require. Hence, you might want to study and compare the specifications of available lenses in order to get the full picture of the size and weight of the two camera systems.

Concerning battery life, the TL2 gets 250 shots out of its Leica BP-DC13 battery, while the M8 can take 550 images on a single charge of its Leica BLI-312 power pack. The power pack in the TL2 can be charged via the USB port, so that it is not always necessary to take the battery charger along when travelling.

The following table provides a synthesis of the main physical specifications of the two cameras and other similar ones. If you want to switch the focus of the display and review another camera pair, you can move across to the CAM-parator tool and choose from the broad selection of possible camera comparisons there.

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Body Specifications
# image Camera
Model
Camera
Width
Camera
Height
Camera
Depth
Camera
Weight
Battery
Life
Weather
Sealing
Camera
Launch
Launch
Price (USD)
Street
Price
1.
 
Leica TL2 134 mm 69 mm 33 mm 399 g 250 n Jul 2017 1,950ebay.com
2.
 
Leica M8 139 mm 80 mm 37 mm 591 g 550 n Sep 2006 5,499ebay.com
3.
 
Canon XTi 127 mm 84 mm 65 mm 556 g 370 n Aug 2006 799ebay.com
4.
 
Fujifilm X-T100 121 mm 83 mm 47 mm 448 g 430 n May 2018 599ebay.com
5.
 
Fujifilm X-T20 118 mm 83 mm 41 mm 383 g 350 n Jan 2017 899ebay.com
6.
 
Fujifilm X-A3 117 mm 67 mm 40 mm 339 g 410 n Aug 2016 399ebay.com
7.
 
Leica C-LUX 113 mm 67 mm 46 mm 340 g 370 n Jun 2018 1,049ebay.com
8.
 
Leica CL 131 mm 78 mm 45 mm 403 g 220 n Nov 2017 2,795ebay.com
9.
 
Leica M10 139 mm 80 mm 39 mm 660 g 210 Y Jan 2017 6,595ebay.com
10.
 
Leica TL 134 mm 69 mm 33 mm 384 g 400 n Nov 2016 1,695ebay.com
11.
 
Leica T 134 mm 69 mm 33 mm 384 g 400 n Apr 2014 1,850ebay.com
12.
 
Leica M9 139 mm 80 mm 37 mm 585 g 550 n Sep 2009 7,999ebay.com
13.
 
Nikon D3500 124 mm 97 mm 70 mm 415 g 1550 n Aug 2018 429ebay.com
14.
 
Nikon D5600 124 mm 97 mm 70 mm 465 g 970 n Nov 2016 699ebay.com
15.
 
Nikon D3400 124 mm 98 mm 76 mm 445 g 1200 n Aug 2016 499ebay.com
16.
 
Nikon D80 132 mm 103 mm 77 mm 668 g 600 n Aug 2006 999ebay.com
17.
 
Panasonic L10 135 mm 96 mm 78 mm 556 g 450 n Aug 2007 599ebay.com
Note: Measurements and pricing do not include easily detachable parts, such as add-on or interchangeable lenses or optional viewfinders.
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Any camera decision will naturally be influenced heavily by the price. The manufacturer’s suggested retail prices give an idea on the placement of the camera in the maker’s lineup and the broader market. The TL2 was launched at a markedly lower price (by 65 percent) than the M8, which puts it into a different market segment. Usually, retail prices stay at first close to the launch price, but after several months, discounts become available. Later in the product cycle and, in particular, when the replacement model is about to appear, further discounting and stock clearance sales often push the camera price considerably down. Then, after the new model is out, very good deals can frequently be found on the pre-owned market.

Sensor comparison

The imaging sensor is at the core of digital cameras and its size is one of the main determining factors of image quality. A large sensor will tend to have larger individual pixels that provide better low-light sensitivity, wider dynamic range, and richer color-depth than smaller pixel-units in a sensor of the same technological generation. Furthermore, a large sensor camera will give the photographer more possibilities to use shallow depth-of-field in order to isolate a subject from the background. On the downside, larger sensors tend to be more expensive and lead to bigger and heavier cameras and lenses.

Of the two cameras under consideration, the Leica TL2 features an APS-C sensor and the Leica M8 an APS-H sensor. The sensor area in the M8 is 31 percent bigger. As a result of these sensor size differences, the cameras have a format factor of, respectively, 1.5 and 1.3. Both cameras have a native aspect ratio (sensor width to sensor height) of 3:2.

Leica TL2 and Leica M8 sensor measures

Despite having a smaller sensor, the Leica TL2 offers a higher resolution of 24.1 megapixels, compared with 10.4 MP of the Leica M8. This megapixels advantage comes at the cost of a higher pixel density and a smaller size of the individual pixel (with a pixel pitch of 3.92μm versus 6.84μm for the M8). However, it should be noted that the TL2 is much more recent (by 10 years and 9 months) than the M8, and its sensor will have benefitted from technological advances during this time that make it possible to gather light more efficiently. Coming back to sensor resolution, it should be mentioned that neither of the two cameras has an anti-alias filter installed, so they are able to capture all the detail the sensor resolves.

The resolution advantage of the Leica TL2 implies greater flexibility for cropping images or the possibility to print larger pictures. The maximum print size of the TL2 for good quality output (200 dots per inch) amounts to 30.1 x 20.1 inches or 76.4 x 51 cm, for very good quality (250 dpi) 24.1 x 16.1 inches or 61.1 x 40.8 cm, and for excellent quality (300 dpi) 20 x 13.4 inches or 50.9 x 34 cm. The corresponding values for the Leica M8 are 19.7 x 13.2 inches or 50 x 33.4 cm for good quality, 15.7 x 10.5 inches or 40 x 26.7 cm for very good quality, and 13.1 x 8.8 inches or 33.3 x 22.3 cm for excellent quality prints.

The Leica TL2 has a native sensitivity range from ISO 100 to ISO 50000. The corresponding ISO settings for the Leica M8 are ISO 160 to ISO 2500 (no boost).

In terms of underlying technology, the TL2 is build around a CMOS sensor, while the M8 uses a CCD imager. Both cameras use a Bayer filter for capturing RGB colors on a square grid of photosensors. This arrangement is found in most digital cameras.

TL2 versus M8 MP

Since 2007, DXO Mark has published sensor performance measurements that have been derived using a consistent methodology. This service assesses and scores the color depth ("DXO Portrait"), dynamic range ("DXO Landscape"), and low-light sensitivity ("DXO Sports") of camera sensors, and also publishes an overall camera score. The adjacent table reports on the physical sensor characteristics and the outcomes of the DXO sensor quality tests for a sample of comparator-cameras.

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Sensor Characteristics
# image Camera
Model
Sensor
Class
Resolution
(MP)
Horiz.
Pixels
Vert.
Pixels
Video
Format
DXO
Portrait
DXO
Landscape
DXO
Sports
DXO
Overall
1.
 
Leica TL2 APS-C 24.1 6014 40144K/30p23.913.3175382
2.
 
Leica M8 APS-H 10.4 3936 2630none21.111.366359
3.
 
Canon XTi APS-C 10.1 3888 2592none22.111.066462
4.
 
Fujifilm X-T100 APS-C 24.0 6000 40004K/15p24.013.4182983
5.
 
Fujifilm X-T20 APS-C 24.0 6000 40004K/30p23.913.2170481
6.
 
Fujifilm X-A3 APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/60p23.813.1166481
7.
 
Leica C-LUX 1-inch 20.0 5472 36484K/30p22.112.348164
8.
 
Leica CL APS-C 24.1 6014 40144K/30p24.013.3178882
9.
 
Leica M10 Full Frame 23.8 5952 3992none24.413.2213386
10.
 
Leica TL APS-C 16.1 4928 32641080/30p23.913.2169081
11.
 
Leica T APS-C 16.2 4944 32781080/30p23.012.7108275
12.
 
Leica M9 Full Frame 18.1 5212 3472none22.511.788469
13.
 
Nikon D3500 APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/60p24.013.4185183
14.
 
Nikon D5600 APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/60p24.114.0130684
15.
 
Nikon D3400 APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/60p24.813.9119286
16.
 
Nikon D80 APS-C 10.0 3872 2592none22.111.252461
17.
 
Panasonic L10 Four Thirds 10.0 3648 2736none21.310.842955
Note: DXO values in italics represent estimates based on sensor size and age.
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Many modern cameras are not only capable of taking still images, but can also record movies. The TL2 indeed provides movie recording capabilities, while the M8 does not. The highest resolution format that the TL2 can use is 4K/30p.

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Feature comparison

Beyond body and sensor, cameras can and do differ across a range of features. For example, the M8 has an optical viewfinder, which can be very useful when shooting in bright sunlight. In contrast, the TL2 relies on live view and the rear LCD for framing. That said, the TL2 can be equipped with an optional viewfinder – the Visoflex (Typ 020). The table below summarizes some of the other core capabilities of the Leica TL2 and Leica M8 in connection with corresponding information for a sample of similar cameras.

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Core Features
# image Camera
Model
Viewfinder
(Type or
000 dots)
Control
Panel
(yes/no)
LCD
Specifications
(inch/000 dots)
LCD
Attach-
ment
Touch
Screen
(yes/no)
Max
Shutter
Speed *
Max
Shutter
Flaps *
Built-in
Flash
(yes/no)
Built-in
Image
Stab
1.
 
Leica TL2optional n3.7 / 1230 fixed Y 1/4000s 7.0/s n n
2.
 
Leica M8optical n2.5 / 230 fixed n 1/8000s 2.0/s n n
3.
 
Canon XTioptical n2.5 / 230 fixed n 1/4000s 3.0/s Y n
4.
 
Fujifilm X-T1002360 n3.0 / 1040 swivel Y 1/4000s 6.0/s Y n
5.
 
Fujifilm X-T202360 n3.0 / 1040 tilting Y 1/4000s 8.0/s Y n
6.
 
Fujifilm X-A3none n3.0 / 1040 tilting Y 1/4000s 6.0/s Y n
7.
 
Leica C-LUX2330 n3.0 / 1240 fixed Y 1/2000s 10.0/s Y Y
8.
 
Leica CL2360 Y3.0 / 1040 fixed Y 1/8000s 10.0/s n n
9.
 
Leica M10optical n3.0 / 1037 fixed n 1/4000s 5.0/s n n
10.
 
Leica TLoptional n3.7 / 1230 fixed Y 1/4000s 5.0/s Y n
11.
 
Leica Toptional n3.7 / 1230 fixed Y 1/4000s 5.0/s Y n
12.
 
Leica M9optical n2.5 / 230 fixed n 1/4000s 2.0/s n n
13.
 
Nikon D3500optical n3.0 / 921 fixed n 1/4000s 5.0/s Y n
14.
 
Nikon D5600optical n3.2 / 1037 swivel Y 1/4000s 5.0/s Y n
15.
 
Nikon D3400optical n3.0 / 921 fixed n 1/4000s 5.0/s Y n
16.
 
Nikon D80optical n2.5 / 230 fixed n 1/4000s 3.0/s Y n
17.
 
Panasonic L10optical n2.5 / 207 swivel n 1/4000s 3.0/s Y n
Note: *) Information refers to the mechanical shutter, unless the camera only has an electronic one.
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One differentiating feature between the two cameras concerns the touch sensitivity of the rear screen. The TL2 has a touchscreen, while the M8 has a conventional panel. Touch control can be particularly helpful, for example, for setting the focus point.

Concerning the storage of imaging data, both the TL2 and the M8 write their files to SDXC cards. The TL2 supports UHS-II cards (Ultra High Speed data transfer of up to 312 MB/s), while the M8 cannot take advantage of Ultra High Speed SD cards.

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Connectivity comparison

For some imaging applications, the extent to which a camera can communicate with its environment can be an important aspect in the camera decision process. The table below provides an overview of the connectivity of the Leica TL2 and Leica M8 and, in particular, the interfaces the cameras (and selected comparators) provide for accessory control and data transfer.

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Input-Output Connections
# image Camera
Model
Hotshoe
Port
Internal
Mic / Speaker
Microphone
Port
Headphone
Port
HDMI
Port
USB
Port
WiFi
Support
NFC
Support
Bluetooth
Support
1.
 
Leica TL2Ystereo / mono--micro3.0Y--
2.
 
Leica M8Y- / ----2.0---
3.
 
Canon XTiY- / ----2.0---
4.
 
Fujifilm X-T100Ystereo / monoY-micro2.0Y-Y
5.
 
Fujifilm X-T20Ystereo / monoY-micro2.0Y--
6.
 
Fujifilm X-A3Ystereo / mono--micro2.0Y--
7.
 
Leica C-LUX-stereo / mono--micro2.0Y--
8.
 
Leica CLYstereo / mono----Y--
9.
 
Leica M10Y- / -----Y--
10.
 
Leica TLYstereo / mono--micro2.0Y--
11.
 
Leica TYstereo / mono---2.0Y--
12.
 
Leica M9Y- / ----2.0---
13.
 
Nikon D3500Ymono / mono--mini2.0--Y
14.
 
Nikon D5600Ystereo / monoY-mini2.0YYY
15.
 
Nikon D3400Ymono / mono--mini2.0--Y
16.
 
Nikon D80Y- / ----2.0---
17.
 
Panasonic L10Y- / ----2.0---
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It is notable that the TL2 offers wifi support, while the M8 does not. Wifi can be a very convenient means to transfer image data to an off-camera location.

Both the TL2 and the M8 have been discontinued, but can regularly be found used on ebay. The M8 was replaced by the Leica M9, while the TL2 does not have a direct successor. Further information on the features and operation of the TL2 and M8 can be found, respectively, in the Leica TL2 Manual (free pdf) or the online Leica M8 Manual.

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Review summary

So how do things add up? Is there a clear favorite between the Leica TL2 and the Leica M8? Which camera is better? A synthesis of the relative strong points of each of the models is listed below.


Advantages of the Leica TL2:

  • More detail: Offers more megapixels (24.1 vs 10.4MP) with a 53% higher linear resolution.
  • Broader imaging potential: Can record not only still images but also 4K/30p movies.
  • Larger screen: Has a bigger rear LCD (3.7" vs 2.5") for image review and settings control.
  • More detailed LCD: Has a higher resolution rear screen (1230k vs 230k dots).
  • Fewer buttons to press: Is equipped with a touch-sensitive rear screen to facilitate handling.
  • Faster burst: Shoots at higher frequency (7 vs 2 flaps/sec) to capture the decisive moment.
  • More compact: Is smaller (134x69mm vs 139x80mm) and thus needs less room in the bag.
  • Less heavy: Is lighter (by 192g or 32 percent) and hence easier to carry around.
  • Easier travel charging: Can be conveniently charged via its USB port.
  • Faster data transfer: Supports a more advanced USB protocol (3.0 vs 2.0).
  • Easier file upload: Has wifi built in for automatic backup or image transfer to the web.
  • Faster buffer clearing: Supports Ultra High Speed (UHS-II) SDXC cards.
  • More affordable: Was introduced into a lower priced category (65 percent cheaper at launch).
  • More modern: Reflects 10 years and 9 months of technical progress since the M8 launch.


Reasons to prefer the Leica M8:

  • Easier framing: Has an optical viewfinder for image composition and settings control.
  • Faster shutter: Has higher mechanical shutter speed (1/8000s vs 1/4000s) to freeze action.
  • Longer lasting: Gets more shots (550 versus 250) out of a single battery charge.
  • More heavily discounted: Has been around for much longer (launched in September 2006).

If the count of relative strengths (bullet points above) is taken as a measure, the TL2 is the clear winner of the match-up (14 : 4 points). However, the relative importance of the various individual camera aspects will vary according to personal preferences and needs, so that you might like to apply corresponding weights to the particular features before making a decision on a new camera. A professional wildlife photographer will view the differences between cameras in a way that diverges from the perspective of a family photog, and a person interested in architecture has distinct needs from a sports shooter. Hence, the decision which camera is best and worth buying is often a very personal one.

TL2 14:04 M8

In any case, while the comparison of technical specifications can provide a useful overview of the capabilities of different cameras, it says little about, for example, the shooting experience and imaging performance of the TL2 and the M8 in practical situations. User reviews, such as those found at amazon, can sometimes inform about these issues, but such feedback is often incomplete, inconsistent, and biased.

Expert reviews

This is where reviews by experts come in. The following table reports the overall ratings of the cameras as published by some of the major camera review sites (amateurphotographer [AP], cameralabs [CL], digitalcameraworld [DCW], dpreview [DPR], ephotozine [EPZ], photographyblog [PB]). As can be seen, the professional reviewers agree in many cases on the quality of different cameras, but sometimes their assessments diverge, reinforcing the earlier point that a camera decision is often a very personal choice.

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Expert Camera Reviews
# image  Camera 
 Model 
 AP 
 score 
 CL 
 score 
 DCW 
 score 
 DPR 
 score 
 EPZ 
 score 
 PB 
 score 
Camera
Launch
Launch
Price (USD)
Street
Price
1.
 
Leica TL23.5/5..3/5..4/54/5 Jul 2017 1,950ebay.com
2.
 
Leica M8......+ +.... Sep 2006 5,499ebay.com
3.
 
Canon XTi..+ +..+ +o4/5 Aug 2006 799ebay.com
4.
 
Fujifilm X-T1004/5+4.5/579/1004/54.5/5 May 2018 599ebay.com
5.
 
Fujifilm X-T205/5+ +5/582/1005/54.5/5 Jan 2017 899ebay.com
6.
 
Fujifilm X-A3......74/1004.5/54/5 Aug 2016 399ebay.com
7.
 
Leica C-LUX....3.5/5..4.5/54/5 Jun 2018 1,049ebay.com
8.
 
Leica CL....4.2/5....4/5 Nov 2017 2,795ebay.com
9.
 
Leica M104.5/5......4/54.5/5 Jan 2017 6,595ebay.com
10.
 
Leica TL..........4/5 Nov 2016 1,695ebay.com
11.
 
Leica T3/5......4/54/5 Apr 2014 1,850ebay.com
12.
 
Leica M9........4.5/5.. Sep 2009 7,999ebay.com
13.
 
Nikon D35004/5..4/575/1004/54.5/5 Aug 2018 429ebay.com
14.
 
Nikon D56004/5..4/579/1004.5/54/5 Nov 2016 699ebay.com
15.
 
Nikon D34004/5+4/576/1004/54.5/5 Aug 2016 499ebay.com
16.
 
Nikon D80..+..+ +o4.5/5 Aug 2006 999ebay.com
17.
 
Panasonic L10..85/100..+3.5/54/5 Aug 2007 599ebay.com
Note: (+ +) highly recommended; (+) recommended; (o) reviewed; (..) not available.
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The above review scores should be interpreted with care, though. The assessments were made in relation to similar cameras of the same technological generation. Thus, a score needs to be put into the context of the launch date and the launch price of the camera, and comparisons of ratings among very different cameras or across long time periods have little meaning. Also, kindly note that some of the listed sites have over time developped their review approaches and their reporting style.

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    Specifications: Leica TL2 vs Leica M8

    Below is a side-by-side comparison of the specs of the two cameras to facilitate a quick review of their differences and common features.

    Camera Specifications
    Camera Model Leica TL2 Leica M8
    Camera Type Mirrorless system camera Rangefinder camera
    Camera Lens Leica T mount lenses Leica M mount lenses
    Launch Date July 2017 September 2006
    Launch Price USD 1,950 USD 5,499
    Sensor Specs Leica TL2 Leica M8
    Sensor Technology CMOS CCD
    Sensor Format APS-C Sensor APS-H Sensor
    Sensor Size 23.6 x 15.7 mm 27.0 x 18.0 mm
    Sensor Area 370.52 mm2 486 mm2
    Sensor Diagonal 28.3 mm 32.4 mm
    Crop Factor 1.5x 1.3x
    Sensor Resolution 24.1 Megapixels 10.4 Megapixels
    Image Resolution 6014 x 4014 pixels 3936 x 2630 pixels
    Pixel Pitch 3.92 μm 6.84 μm
    Pixel Density 6.52 MP/cm2 2.13 MP/cm2
    Moiré control no AA filter no AA filter
    Movie Capability 4K/30p Video no Video
    ISO Setting 100 - 50,000 ISO 160 - 2,500 ISO
    DXO Sensor Quality (score) .. 59
    DXO Color Depth (bits) .. 21.1
    DXO Dynamic Range (EV) .. 11.3
    DXO Low Light (ISO) .. 663
    Screen Specs Leica TL2 Leica M8
    Viewfinder Type Viewfinder optional Optical viewfinder
    Viewfinder Field of View 100%
    LCD Framing Live View
    Rear LCD Size 3.7inch 2.5inch
    LCD Resolution 1230k dots 230k dots
    LCD Attachment Fixed screen Fixed screen
    Touch Input Touchscreen no Touchscreen
    Shooting Specs Leica TL2 Leica M8
    Focus System Contrast-detect AF Manual Focus
    Continuous Shooting 7 shutter flaps/s 2 shutter flaps/s
    Fill Flash no On-Board Flash no On-Board Flash
    Storage Medium SDXC cards SDXC cards
    Single or Dual Card Slots Single card slot Single card slot
    UHS card support UHS-II no
    Connectivity Specs Leica TL2 Leica M8
    External Flash Hotshoe Hotshoe
    USB Connector USB 3.0 USB 2.0
    HDMI Port micro HDMI no HDMI
    Wifi Support Wifi built-in no Wifi
    Body Specs Leica TL2 Leica M8
    Battery Type Leica BP-DC13 Leica BLI-312
    Battery Life (CIPA)250 shots per charge550 shots per charge
    In-Camera Charging USB charging no USB charging
    Body Dimensions 134 x 69 x 33 mm
    (5.3 x 2.7 x 1.3 in)
    139 x 80 x 37 mm
    (5.5 x 3.1 x 1.5 in)
    Camera Weight 399 g (14.1 oz) 591 g (20.8 oz)
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