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Canon M10 vs Sony NEX-F3

The Canon EOS M10 and the Sony Alpha NEX-F3 are two digital cameras that were revealed to the public, respectively, in October 2015 and May 2012. Both the M10 and the NEX-F3 are mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras that are equipped with an APS-C sensor. The Canon has a resolution of 17.9 megapixels, whereas the Sony provides 16 MP.

Below is an overview of the main specs of the two cameras as a starting point for the comparison.

Headline Specifications
Canon M10 versus Sony NEX-F3
Canon M10 Sony NEX-F3
Mirrorless system camera Mirrorless system camera
Canon EF-M mount lenses Sony E mount lenses
17.9 MP, APS-C Sensor 16 MP, APS-C Sensor
1080/30p Video 1080/60i Video
ISO 100-12,800 (100 - 25,600) ISO 100-16,000
No viewfinder, LCD framing Viewfinder optional
3.0 LCD, 1040k dots 3.0 LCD, 920k dots
Tilting touchscreen Tilting screen (not touch-sensitive)
4.6 shutter flaps per second 5.5 shutter flaps per second
255 shots per battery charge470 shots per battery charge
108 x 67 x 35 mm, 301 g 117 x 67 x 42 mm, 314 g

Going beyond this snapshot of core features and characteristics, what are the differences between the Canon EOS M10 and the Sony Alpha NEX-F3? Which one should you buy? Read on to find out how these two cameras compare with respect to their body size, their imaging sensors, their shooting features, their input-output connections, and their reception by expert reviewers.

Body comparison

The physical size and weight of the Canon M10 and the Sony NEX-F3 are illustrated in the side-by-side display below. The two cameras are presented according to their relative size. Three consecutive views from the front, the top, and the rear side are shown. All width, height and depth measures are rounded to the nearest millimeter.

The M10 can be obtained in two different colors (black, white), while the NEX-F3 is available in three color-versions (black, silver, white).

Size Canon M10 vs Sony NEX-F3
Compare M10 versus NEX-F3 top
Comparison M10 or NEX-F3 rear

If the front view area (width x height) of the cameras is taken as an aggregate measure of their size, the Sony NEX-F3 is notably larger (8 percent) than the Canon M10. Moreover, the NEX-F3 is slightly heavier (4 percent) than the M10. In this context, it is worth noting that neither the M10 nor the NEX-F3 are weather-sealed.

The above size and weight comparisons are to some extent incomplete since they do not consider the interchangeable lenses that both of these cameras require. Hence, you might want to study and compare the specifications of available lenses in order to get the full picture of the size and weight of the two camera systems.

Concerning battery life, the M10 gets 255 shots out of its LP-E12 battery, while the NEX-F3 can take 470 images on a single charge of its NP-FW50 power pack.

The table below summarizes the key physical specs of the two cameras alongside a broader set of comparators. If you would like to visualize and compare a different camera combination, you can navigate to the CAM-parator app and make your selection from a broad list of cameras there.

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Body Specifications
    Camera
Model
Camera
Width
Camera
Height
Camera
Depth
Camera
Weight
Battery
Life
Weather
Sealing
Camera
Launch
Launch
Price (USD)
Street
Price
1.
 
Canon M10 108 mm 67 mm 35 mm 301 g 255 n Oct 2015 499i
2.
 
Sony NEX-F3 117 mm 67 mm 42 mm 314 g 470 n May 2012 599i
3.
 
Canon M100 108 mm 67 mm 35 mm 302 g 295 n Aug 2017 499i
4.
 
Canon G7 X Mark II 106 mm 61 mm 42 mm 319 g 265 n Feb 2016 699i
5.
 
Canon M5 116 mm 89 mm 61 mm 427 g 295 n Sep 2016 979 i
6.
 
Canon G5 X 112 mm 76 mm 44 mm 353 g 210 n Oct 2015 799i
7.
 
Canon G9 X 98 mm 58 mm 31 mm 209 g 220 n Oct 2015 529i
8.
 
Canon M3 111 mm 68 mm 44 mm 366 g 250 n Feb 2015 679i
9.
 
Canon 1200D 130 mm 100 mm 78 mm 480 g 500 n Feb 2014 449i
10.
 
Canon G7 X 103 mm 60 mm 40 mm 304 g 210 n Sep 2014 699i
11.
 
Canon M 109 mm 66 mm 32 mm 298 g 230 n Jul 2012 599i
12.
 
Sony A5000 110 mm 63 mm 36 mm 269 g 420 n Jan 2014 449i
13.
 
Sony NEX-3N 110 mm 62 mm 35 mm 269 g 480 n Feb 2013 499i
14.
 
Sony NEX-5R 111 mm 59 mm 39 mm 276 g 330 n Aug 2012 749i
15.
 
Sony NEX-5N 111 mm 59 mm 38 mm 269 g 460 n Aug 2011 699i
16.
 
Sony NEX-3 117 mm 62 mm 33 mm 297 g 330 n May 2010 599i
17.
 
Sony NEX-5 111 mm 59 mm 38 mm 287 g 330 n May 2010 699i
Notes: Measurements and pricing do not include easily detachable parts, such as add-on or interchangeable lenses or optional viewfinders.

Any camera decision will obviously take relative prices into account. The retail prices at the time of the camera’s release place the model in the market relative to other models in the producer’s line-up and the competition. The M10 was launched at a somewhat lower price (by 17 percent) than the NEX-F3, which makes it more attractive for photographers on a tight budget. Usually, retail prices stay at first close to the launch price, but after several months, discounts become available. Later in the product cycle and, in particular, when the replacement model is about to appear, further discounting and stock clearance sales often push the camera price considerably down. Then, after the new model is out, very good deals can frequently be found on the pre-owned market.

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Sensor comparison

The size of the sensor inside a digital camera is one of the key determinants of image quality. All other things equal, a large sensor will have larger individual pixel-units that offer better low-light sensitivity, wider dynamic range, and richer color-depth than smaller pixels in a sensor of the same technological generation. Further, a large sensor camera will give the photographer additional creative options when using shallow depth-of-field to isolate a subject from its background. On the downside, larger sensors tend to be associated with larger, more expensive camera bodies and lenses.

Both cameras under consideration feature an APS-C sensor, but their sensors differ slightly in size. The sensor area in the NEX-F3 is 10 percent bigger. As a result of these sensor size differences, the cameras have format factors, respectively, of 1.6 (M10) and 1.5. Both cameras have a native aspect ratio (sensor width to sensor height) of 3:2.

Canon M10 and Sony NEX-F3 sensor measures

Despite having a smaller sensor, the Canon M10 offers a higher resolution of 17.9 megapixels, compared with 16 MP of the Sony NEX-F3. This megapixels advantage comes at the cost of a higher pixel density and a smaller size of the individual pixel (with a pixel pitch of 4.31μm versus 4.78μm for the NEX-F3). However, it should be noted that the M10 is much more recent (by 3 years and 4 months) than the NEX-F3, and its sensor will have benefitted from technological advances during this time that make it possible to gather light more efficiently.

The resolution advantage of the Canon M10 implies greater flexibility for cropping images or the possibility to print larger pictures. The maximum print size of the M10 for good quality output (200 dots per inch) amounts to 25.9 x 17.3 inches or 65.8 x 43.9 cm, for very good quality (250 dpi) 20.7 x 13.8 inches or 52.7 x 35.1 cm, and for excellent quality (300 dpi) 17.3 x 11.5 inches or 43.9 x 29.3 cm. The corresponding values for the Sony NEX-F3 are 24.6 x 16.3 inches or 62.4 x 41.5 cm for good quality, 19.6 x 13.1 inches or 49.9 x 33.2 cm for very good quality, and 16.4 x 10.9 inches or 41.6 x 27.6 cm for excellent quality prints.

The M10 has on-sensor phase detect pixels, which results in fast and reliable autofocus acquisition even during live view operation.

The Canon EOS M10 has a native sensitivity range from ISO 100 to ISO 12800, which can be extended to ISO 100-25600. The corresponding ISO settings for the Sony Alpha NEX-F3 are ISO 100 to ISO 16000 (no boost).

M10 versus NEX-F3 MP

Consistent information on actual sensor performance is available from DXO Mark for many cameras. This service assesses and scores the color depth ("DXO Portrait"), dynamic range ("DXO Landscape"), and low-light sensitivity ("DXO Sports") of camera sensors, and also publishes an overall camera score. Of the two cameras under consideration, the NEX-F3 has a markedly higher DXO score than the M10 (overall score 8 points higher), which will translate into better image quality. The advantage is based on 0.5 bits higher color depth, 0.9 EV in additional dynamic range, and 0.6 stops in additional low light sensitivity. The following table provides an overview of the physical sensor characteristics, as well as the sensor quality measurements for a selection of comparators.

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Sensor Characteristics
    Camera
Model
Sensor
Class
Resolution
(MP)
Horiz.
Pixels
Vert.
Pixels
Video
Format
DXO
Portrait
DXO
Landscape
DXO
Sports
DXO
Overall
1.
 
Canon M10 APS-C 17.9 5184 34561080/30p22.211.475365
2.
 
Sony NEX-F3 APS-C 16.0 4912 32641080/60i22.712.3111473
3.
 
Canon M100 APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/60p23.512.9127278
4.
 
Canon G7 X Mark II 1-inch 20.0 5472 36481080/60p........
5.
 
Canon M5 APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/60p23.412.4126277
6.
 
Canon G5 X 1-inch 20.0 5472 36481080/60p........
7.
 
Canon G9 X 1-inch 20.0 5472 36481080/60p21.512.349563
8.
 
Canon M3 APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/30p22.811.8116972
9.
 
Canon 1200D APS-C 17.9 5184 34561080/30p21.911.372463
10.
 
Canon G7 X 1-inch 20.0 5472 36481080/60p23.012.755671
11.
 
Canon M APS-C 17.9 5184 34561080/30p22.111.282765
12.
 
Sony A5000 APS-C 19.8 5456 36321080/60i23.813.0108979
13.
 
Sony NEX-3N APS-C 16.0 4912 32641080/60i22.812.5106774
14.
 
Sony NEX-5R APS-C 16.0 4912 32641080/60i23.713.191078
15.
 
Sony NEX-5N APS-C 16.0 4912 32641080/60i23.612.7107977
16.
 
Sony NEX-3 APS-C 14.0 4592 3056720/30p22.112.083068
17.
 
Sony NEX-5 APS-C 14.0 4592 30561080/60i22.212.279669

Many modern cameras are not only capable of taking still images, but can also record movies. The two cameras under consideration both have sensors whose read-out speed is fast enough to capture moving pictures, but the NEX-F3 provides a faster frame rate than the M10. It can shoot movie footage at 1080/60i, while the Canon is limited to 1080/30p.

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Feature comparison

Beyond body and sensor, cameras can and do differ across a range of features. The M10 and the NEX-F3 are similar in the sense that neither of the two has a viewfinder. The images are, thus, framed using live view on the rear LCD. That said, the NEX-F3 can be equipped with an optional viewfinder – the FDA-EV1S. The following table reports on some other key feature differences and similarities of the Canon M10, the Sony NEX-F3, and comparable cameras.

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Core Features
    Camera
Model
Viewfinder
(Type or
000 dots)
Control
Panel
(yes/no)
LCD
Size
(inch)
LCD
Resolution
(000 dots)
LCD
Attach-
ment
Touch
Screen
(yes/no)
Mech
Shutter
Speed
Shutter
Flaps
(1/sec)
Built-in
Flash
(yes/no)
Built-in
Image
Stab
1.
 
Canon M10none n 3.0 1040 tilting Y 1/4000s 4.6 Y n
2.
 
Sony NEX-F3optional n 3.0 920 tilting n 1/4000s 5.5 Y n
3.
 
Canon M100none n 3.0 1040 tilting Y 1/4000s 6.1 Y n
4.
 
Canon G7 X Mark IInone n 3.0 1040 tilting Y 1/2000s 8.0 Y Y
5.
 
Canon M52360 n 3.2 1620 tilting Y 1/4000s 9.0 Y n
6.
 
Canon G5 X2360 n 3.0 1040 swivel Y 1/2000s 5.9 Y Y
7.
 
Canon G9 Xnone n 3.0 1040 fixed Y 1/2000s 6.0 Y Y
8.
 
Canon M3optional n 3.0 1040 tilting Y 1/4000s 4.2 Y n
9.
 
Canon 1200Doptical n 3.0 460 fixed n 1/4000s 3.0 Y n
10.
 
Canon G7 Xnone n 3.0 1040 tilting Y 1/2000s 6.5 Y Y
11.
 
Canon Mnone n 3.0 1040 fixed Y 1/4000s 4.3 n n
12.
 
Sony A5000none n 3.0 461 tilting n 1/4000s 3.5 Y n
13.
 
Sony NEX-3Noptional n 3.0 460 tilting n 1/4000s 4.0 Y n
14.
 
Sony NEX-5Roptional n 3.0 920 tilting Y 1/4000s 10.0 n n
15.
 
Sony NEX-5Noptional n 3.0 920 tilting Y 1/4000s 10.0 n n
16.
 
Sony NEX-3optional n 3.0 920 tilting n 1/4000s 7.0 n n
17.
 
Sony NEX-5optional n 3.0 920 tilting n 1/4000s 7.0 n n

One differentiating feature between the two cameras concerns the touch sensitivity of the rear screen. The M10 has a touchscreen, while the NEX-F3 has a conventional panel. Touch control can be particularly helpful, for example, for setting the focus point.

Both cameras have an articulated rear screen that can be turned to be front-facing. This feature will be particularly appreciated by vloggers and photographers who are interested in taking selfies.

The M10 writes its imaging data to SDXC cards, while the NEX-F3 uses SDXC or Memory Stick PRO Duo cards. The M10 supports UHS-I cards (Ultra High Speed data transfer of up to 104 MB/s), while the NEX-F3 cannot take advantage of Ultra High Speed SD cards.

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Connectivity comparison

For some imaging applications, the extent to which a camera can communicate with its environment can be an important aspect in the camera decision process. The table below provides an overview of the connectivity of the Canon EOS M10 and Sony Alpha NEX-F3 and, in particular, the interfaces the cameras (and selected comparators) provide for accessory control and data transfer.

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Input-Output Connections
    Camera
Model
Hotshoe
Port
Internal
Microphone
Internal
Speaker
Microphone
Port
Headphone
Port
HDMI
Port
USB
Port
WiFi
Support
NFC
Support
Bluetooth
Support
1.
 
Canon M10-stereomono--mini2.0YY-
2.
 
Sony NEX-F3Ystereomono--mini2.0---
3.
 
Canon M100-stereomono--micro2.0YYY
4.
 
Canon G7 X Mark II-stereomono--micro2.0YY-
5.
 
Canon M5YstereomonoY-mini2.0YYY
6.
 
Canon G5 XYstereomono--mini2.0YY-
7.
 
Canon G9 X-stereomono--micro2.0YY-
8.
 
Canon M3YstereomonoY-mini2.0YY-
9.
 
Canon 1200DYmonomono--mini2.0---
10.
 
Canon G7 X-stereomono--micro2.0YY-
11.
 
Canon MYstereomonoY-mini2.0---
12.
 
Sony A5000-stereomono--micro2.0YY-
13.
 
Sony NEX-3N-stereomono--micro2.0---
14.
 
Sony NEX-5RYstereomono--mini2.0Y--
15.
 
Sony NEX-5NYstereomono--mini2.0---
16.
 
Sony NEX-3Ystereomono--mini2.0---
17.
 
Sony NEX-5Ystereomono--mini2.0---

It is notable that the M10 offers wifi support, while the NEX-F3 does not. Wifi can be a very convenient means to transfer image data to an off-camera location.

Both the M10 and the NEX-F3 have been discontinued, but can regularly be found used on eBay. The M10 was replaced by the Canon M100, while the NEX-F3 does not have a direct successor. Further information on the two cameras (e.g. user guides, manuals), as well as related accessories, can be found on the official Canon and Sony websites.

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Review summary

So what conclusions can be drawn? Which of the two cameras – the Canon M10 or the Sony NEX-F3 – has the upper hand? Is one clearly better than the other? Below is a summary of the relative strengths of each of the two contestants.

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Reasons to prefer the Canon EOS M10:

  • More detail: Offers more megapixels (17.9 vs 16MP) with a 6% higher linear resolution.
  • Better live-view autofocus: Features on-sensor phase-detection for more confident autofocus.
  • More detailed LCD: Has a higher resolution rear screen (1040k vs 920k dots).
  • Fewer buttons to press: Is equipped with a touch-sensitive rear screen to facilitate handling.
  • Easier file upload: Has wifi built in for automatic backup or image transfer to the web.
  • Easier device pairing: Supports NFC for fast wireless image transfer over short distances.
  • Faster buffer clearing: Has an SD card interface that supports the UHS-I standard.
  • More affordable: Was introduced into a lower priced segment (17 percent cheaper at launch).
  • More modern: Reflects 3 years and 4 months of technical progress since the NEX-F3 launch.

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Arguments in favor of the Sony Alpha NEX-F3:

  • Better image quality: Scores markedly higher (8 points) in the DXO overall evaluation.
  • More dynamic range: Captures a broader range of light and dark details (0.9 EV of extra DR).
  • Better low-light sensitivity: Can shoot in dim conditions (0.6 stops ISO advantage).
  • Better video: Provides higher movie framerates (1080/60i versus 1080/30p).
  • More framing options: Can be equipped with a hotshoe-mounted accessory-viewfinder.
  • Faster burst: Shoots at higher frequency (5.5 vs 4.6 flaps/sec) to capture the decisive moment.
  • Longer lasting: Gets more shots (470 versus 255) out of a single battery charge.
  • Better lighting: Features a hotshoe and can thus hold and trigger an external flash gun.
  • More heavily discounted: Has been around for much longer (launched in May 2012).

If the number of relative strengths (bullet points above) is taken as a guide, the match-up finishes in a tie (9 points each). However, the relative importance of the various individual camera aspects will vary according to personal preferences and needs, so that you might like to apply corresponding weights to the particular features before making a decision on a new camera. A professional wildlife photographer will view the differences between cameras in a way that diverges from the perspective of a family photog, and a person interested in architecture has distinct needs from a sports shooter. Hence, the decision which camera is best and worth buying is often a very personal one.

M10 09:09 NEX-F3

How about other alternatives? Do the specifications of the Canon M10 and the Sony NEX-F3 place the cameras among the top in their class? Find out in the latest Best Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera listing whether the two cameras rank among the cream of the crop.

In any case, while the specs-based evaluation of cameras can be instructive in revealing their potential as photographic tools, it says little about, for example, the shooting experience and imaging performance of the M10 and the NEX-F3 in practical situations. User reviews that are available, for instance, at amazon can sometimes shed light on these issues, but such feedback is all too often partial, inconsistent, and inaccurate.

Expert reviews

This is why expert reviews are important. The following table reports the overall ratings of the cameras as published by some of the major camera review sites (amateurphotographer [AP], cameralabs [CL], dpreview [DPR], ephotozine [EPZ], photographyblog [PB]). As can be seen, the professional reviewers agree in many cases on the quality of different cameras, but sometimes their assessments diverge, reinforcing the earlier point that a camera decision is often a very personal choice.

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Expert Camera Reviews
     Camera 
 Model 
 AP 
 score 
 CL 
 score 
 DPR 
 score 
 EPZ 
 score 
 PB 
 score 
Camera
Launch
Launch
Price (USD)
Street
Price
1.
 
Canon M10........4/5 Oct 2015 499i
2.
 
Sony NEX-F34/5..74/1004.5/54.5/5 May 2012 599i
3.
 
Canon M1003/5+..4/53.5/5 Aug 2017 499i
4.
 
Canon G7 X Mark II4.5/5+ +81/1004.5/54.5/5 Feb 2016 699i
5.
 
Canon M54/5+82/1004/54/5 Sep 2016 979 i
6.
 
Canon G5 X5/5+ +78/1004.5/54.5/5 Oct 2015 799i
7.
 
Canon G9 X3.5/5+ +..4.5/54.5/5 Oct 2015 529i
8.
 
Canon M34/5o75/1004.5/54/5 Feb 2015 679i
9.
 
Canon 1200D3/5+..4/54.5/5 Feb 2014 449i
10.
 
Canon G7 X4/5+ +77/1004.5/54.5/5 Sep 2014 699i
11.
 
Canon M3/5+..4/54/5 Jul 2012 599i
12.
 
Sony A50003/5+..4.5/54.5/5 Jan 2014 449i
13.
 
Sony NEX-3N3/5....4.5/54.5/5 Feb 2013 499i
14.
 
Sony NEX-5R......4.5/54.5/5 Aug 2012 749i
15.
 
Sony NEX-5N3/5+ +79/1004.5/54.5/5 Aug 2011 699i
16.
 
Sony NEX-3....70/1004.5/54/5 May 2010 599i
17.
 
Sony NEX-53/5+ +71/1004.5/54/5 May 2010 699i
Notes: (+ +) highly recommended; (+) recommended; (o) reviewed; (..) not available.

The review scores listed above should be treated with care, though. The assessments were made in relation to similar cameras of the same technological generation. A score, therefore, has to be seen in close connection to the price and market introduction time of the camera, and comparisons of ratings among very different cameras or across long time periods have little meaning. Also, please note that some of the review sites have changed their methodology and reporting over time.

Canon M10:
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    Specifications: Canon M10 vs Sony NEX-F3

    Below is a side-by-side comparison of the specs of the two cameras to facilitate a quick review of their differences and common features.

    Camera Specifications
    Camera Model Canon M10 Sony NEX-F3
    Camera Type Mirrorless system camera Mirrorless system camera
    Camera Lens Canon EF-M mount lenses Sony E mount lenses
    Launch Date October 2015 May 2012
    Launch Price USD 499 USD 599
    Sensor Specs Canon M10 Sony NEX-F3
    Sensor Technology CMOS CMOS
    Sensor Format APS-C Sensor APS-C Sensor
    Sensor Size 22.3 x 14.9 mm 23.4 x 15.6 mm
    Sensor Area 332.27 mm2 365.04 mm2
    Sensor Diagonal 26.8 mm 28.1 mm
    Crop Factor 1.6x 1.5x
    Sensor Resolution 17.9 Megapixels 16 Megapixels
    Image Resolution 5184 x 3456 pixels 4912 x 3264 pixels
    Pixel Pitch 4.31 μm 4.78 μm
    Pixel Density 5.39 MP/cm2 4.39 MP/cm2
    Moiré control Anti-Alias filter Anti-Alias filter
    Movie Capability 1080/30p Video 1080/60i Video
    ISO Setting 100 - 12,800 ISO 100 - 16,000 ISO
    ISO Boost 100 - 25,600 ISO no Enhancement
    Image Processor DIGIC 6 BIONZ
    DXO Sensor Quality (score) 65 73
    DXO Color Depth (bits) 22.2 22.7
    DXO Dynamic Range (EV) 11.4 12.3
    DXO Low Light (ISO) 753 1114
    Screen Specs Canon M10 Sony NEX-F3
    Viewfinder Type no viewfinder Viewfinder optional
    Viewfinder Magnification
    LCD Framing Live View Live View
    Rear LCD Size 3.0inch 3.0inch
    LCD Resolution 1040k dots 920k dots
    LCD Attachment Tilting screen Tilting screen
    Touch Input Touchscreen no Touchscreen
    Shooting Specs Canon M10 Sony NEX-F3
    Focus System On-Sensor Phase-detect Contrast-detect AF
    Continuous Shooting 4.6 shutter flaps/s 5.5 shutter flaps/s
    Fill Flash Build-in Flash Build-in Flash
    Storage Medium SDXC cards MS or SDXC cards
    Second Storage Option Single card slot Single card slot
    UHS card support UHS-I no
    Connectivity Specs Canon M10 Sony NEX-F3
    External Flash no Hotshoe Hotshoe
    USB Connector USB 2.0 USB 2.0
    HDMI Port mini HDMI mini HDMI
    Wifi Support Wifi built-in no Wifi
    Near-Field Communication NFC built-in no NFC
    Body Specs Canon M10 Sony NEX-F3
    Battery Type LP-E12 NP-FW50
    Battery Life (CIPA)255 shots per charge470 shots per charge
    Body Dimensions 108 x 67 x 35 mm
    (4.3 x 2.6 x 1.4 in)
    117 x 67 x 42 mm
    (4.6 x 2.6 x 1.7 in)
    Camera Weight 301 g (10.6 oz) 314 g (11.1 oz)

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