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Canon D30 vs G12

The Canon EOS-D30 and the Canon PowerShot G12 are two digital cameras that were officially introduced, respectively, in May 2000 and September 2010. The D30 is a DSLR, while the G12 is a fixed lens compact. The cameras are based on an APS-C (D30) and a 1/1.7-inch (G12) sensor. The D30 has a resolution of 3.1 megapixels, whereas the G12 provides 10 MP.

Below is an overview of the main specs of the two cameras as a starting point for the comparison.

Headline Specifications
Canon D30
versus
Canon G12
Canon D30   Canon G12
Digital single lens reflex Fixed lens compact camera
Canon EF mount lenses 28-140mm f/2.8-4.5
3.1 MP – APS-C sensor 10 MP – 1/1.7" sensor
no Video 720/24p Video
ISO 100-1,600 ISO 80-3,200 (80 - 12,800)
Optical viewfinder Optical viewfinder
1.8" LCD – 114k dots 2.8" LCD – 461k dots
Fixed screen (not touch-sensitive) Swivel screen (not touch-sensitive)
3 shutter flaps per second 1.1 shutter flaps per second
540 shots per battery charge370 shots per battery charge
150 x 107 x 75 mm, 750 g 112 x 76 x 48 mm, 401 g
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Going beyond this snapshot of core features and characteristics, what are the differences between the Canon EOS-D30 and the Canon PowerShot G12? Which one should you buy? Read on to find out how these two cameras compare with respect to their body size, their imaging sensors, their shooting features, their input-output connections, and their reception by expert reviewers.

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Body comparison

An illustration of the physical size and weight of the Canon D30 and the Canon G12 is provided in the side-by-side display below. The two cameras are presented according to their relative size. Three successive views from the front, the top, and the rear are shown. All width, height and depth dimensions are rounded to the nearest millimeter.

Size Canon D30 vs Canon G12
Compare D30 versus G12 top
Comparison D30 or G12 rear

If the front view area (width x height) of the cameras is taken as an aggregate measure of their size, the Canon G12 is considerably smaller (47 percent) than the Canon D30. In this context, it is worth noting that neither the D30 nor the G12 are weather-sealed.

The above size and weight comparisons are to some extent incomplete and possibly misleading, as the G12 has a lens built in, whereas the D30 is an interchangeable lens camera that requires a separate lens. Attaching the latter will add extra weight and bulk to the setup. You can compare the optics available for the D30 and their specifications in the Canon EF Lens Catalog.

Concerning battery life, the D30 gets 540 shots out of its Canon BP-511 battery, while the G12 can take 370 images on a single charge of its Canon NB-7L power pack.

The following table provides a synthesis of the main physical specifications of the two cameras and other similar ones. If you would like to visualize and compare a different camera combination, you can navigate to the CAM-parator app and make your selection from a broad list of cameras there.

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Body Specifications
  empty Camera
Model
Camera
Width
Camera
Height
Camera
Depth
Camera
Weight
Battery
Life
Weather
Sealing
Camera
Launch
Launch
Price (USD)
Street
Price
1.
 
Canon D30 150 mm 107 mm 75 mm 750 g 540 n May 2000 2,999ebay.com
2.
 
Canon G12 112 mm 76 mm 48 mm 401 g 370 n Sep 2010 499ebay.com
3.
 
Canon 10D 150 mm 107 mm 75 mm 850 g 500 n Feb 2003 1,999ebay.com
4.
 
Canon 20D 144 mm 106 mm 72 mm 770 g 700 n Aug 2004 1,499ebay.com
5.
 
Canon 30D 144 mm 106 mm 74 mm 785 g 750 n Feb 2006 1,399ebay.com
6.
 
Canon 40D 146 mm 108 mm 74 mm 822 g 750 n Aug 2007 1,299ebay.com
7.
 
Canon 80D 139 mm 105 mm 79 mm 730 g 960 Y Feb 2016 1,199ebay.com
8.
 
Canon D60 150 mm 107 mm 75 mm 855 g 620 n Feb 2002 2,999ebay.com
9.
 
Canon G15 107 mm 76 mm 40 mm 352 g 350 n Sep 2012 499ebay.com
10.
 
Canon G16 109 mm 76 mm 40 mm 356 g 360 n Aug 2013 549ebay.com
11.
 
Canon SL2 122 mm 93 mm 70 mm 453 g 650 n Jun 2017 549ebay.com
12.
 
Canon Rebel 142 mm 99 mm 72 mm 649 g 400 n Aug 2003 899ebay.com
13.
 
Canon T7 129 mm 101 mm 78 mm 475 g 500 n Feb 2018 449 amazon.com
14.
 
Canon T7i 131 mm 100 mm 76 mm 532 g 600 n Feb 2017 749ebay.com
15.
 
Fujifilm X10 117 mm 70 mm 57 mm 350 g 270 n Sep 2011 599ebay.com
16.
 
Olympus E-450 130 mm 91 mm 53 mm 440 g 500 n Mar 2009 499ebay.com
17.
 
Panasonic G2 124 mm 84 mm 74 mm 428 g 360 n Mar 2010 599ebay.com
Note: Measurements and pricing do not include easily detachable parts, such as add-on or interchangeable lenses or optional viewfinders.

Any camera decision will obviously take relative prices into account. The manufacturer’s suggested retail prices give an idea on the placement of the camera in the maker’s lineup and the broader market. The G12 was launched at a lower price than the D30, despite having a lens built in. Normally, street prices remain initially close to the MSRP, but after a couple of months, the first discounts appear. Later in the product cycle and, in particular, when the replacement model is about to appear, further discounting and stock clearance sales often push the camera price considerably down.

Sensor comparison

The size of the imaging sensor is a crucial determinant of image quality. A large sensor will tend to have larger individual pixels that provide better low-light sensitivity, wider dynamic range, and richer color-depth than smaller pixel-units in a sensor of the same technological generation. Further, a large sensor camera will give the photographer additional creative options when using shallow depth-of-field to isolate a subject from its background. On the downside, larger sensors tend to be associated with larger, more expensive camera bodies and lenses.

Of the two cameras under consideration, the Canon D30 features an APS-C sensor and the Canon G12 a 1/1.7-inch sensor. The sensor area in the G12 is 87 percent smaller. As a result of these sensor size differences, the cameras have a format factor of, respectively, 1.6 and 4.6. The sensor in the D30 has a native 3:2 aspect ratio, while the one in the G12 offers a 4:3 aspect.

Canon D30 and Canon G12 sensor measures

Despite having a smaller sensor, the G12 offers a higher resolution of 10 megapixels, compared with 3.1 MP of the D30. This megapixels advantage comes at the cost of a higher pixel density and a smaller size of the individual pixel (with a pixel pitch of 2.07μm versus 10.29μm for the D30). However, it should be noted that the G12 is much more recent (by 10 years and 4 months) than the D30, and its sensor will have benefitted from technological advances during this time that make it possible to gather light more efficiently.

The resolution advantage of the Canon G12 implies greater flexibility for cropping images or the possibility to print larger pictures. The maximum print size of the G12 for good quality output (200 dots per inch) amounts to 18.2 x 13.7 inches or 46.3 x 34.7 cm, for very good quality (250 dpi) 14.6 x 10.9 inches or 37.1 x 27.8 cm, and for excellent quality (300 dpi) 12.2 x 9.1 inches or 30.9 x 23.2 cm. The corresponding values for the Canon D30 are 10.8 x 7.2 inches or 27.4 x 18.3 cm for good quality, 8.6 x 5.8 inches or 21.9 x 14.6 cm for very good quality, and 7.2 x 4.8 inches or 18.3 x 12.2 cm for excellent quality prints.

The Canon EOS-D30 has a native sensitivity range from ISO 100 to ISO 1600. The corresponding ISO settings for the Canon PowerShot G12 are ISO 80 to ISO 3200, with the possibility to increase the ISO range to 80-12800.

In terms of underlying technology, the D30 is build around a CMOS sensor, while the G12 uses a CCD imager. Both cameras use a Bayer filter for capturing RGB colors on a square grid of photosensors. This arrangement is found in most digital cameras.

D30 versus G12 MP

For many cameras, data on sensor performance has been reported by DXO Mark. This service is based on lab testing and assigns an overall score to each camera sensor, as well as ratings for dynamic range ("DXO Landscape"), color depth ("DXO Portrait"), and low-light sensitivity ("DXO Sports"). The adjacent table reports on the physical sensor characteristics and the outcomes of the DXO sensor quality tests for a sample of comparator-cameras.

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Sensor Characteristics
  empty Camera
Model
Sensor
Class
Resolution
(MP)
Horiz.
Pixels
Vert.
Pixels
Video
Format
DXO
Portrait
DXO
Landscape
DXO
Sports
DXO
Overall
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Canon D30 APS-C 3.1 2160 1440none........
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Canon G12 1/1.7 10.0 3648 2736720/24p20.411.216147
3.
 
Canon 10D APS-C 6.3 3072 2048none21.110.957157
4.
 
Canon 20D APS-C 8.2 3504 2336none21.911.072162
5.
 
Canon 30D APS-C 8.2 3504 2336none21.510.873659
6.
 
Canon 40D APS-C 10.1 3888 2592none22.111.370364
7.
 
Canon 80D APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/60p23.613.2113579
8.
 
Canon D60 APS-C 6.3 3072 2048none20.39.830147
9.
 
Canon G15 1/1.7 12.0 4000 30001080/24p19.911.516546
10.
 
Canon G16 1/1.7 12.0 4000 30001080/60p21.011.723054
11.
 
Canon SL2 APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/60p23.613.4104179
12.
 
Canon Rebel APS-C 6.3 3072 2048none21.010.854455
13.
 
Canon T7 APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/30p23.813.3168481
14.
 
Canon T7i APS-C 24.0 6000 40001080/60p23.713.1158680
15.
 
Fujifilm X10 2/3 12.0 4000 30001080/30p20.511.324550
16.
 
Olympus E-450 Four Thirds 10.0 3648 2736none21.510.551256
17.
 
Panasonic G2 Four Thirds 12.0 4000 3000720/30p21.210.349353
Note: DXO values in italics represent estimates based on sensor size and age.

Many modern cameras are not only capable of taking still images, but can also record movies. The G12 indeed provides for movie recording, while the D30 does not. The highest resolution format that the G12 can use is 720/24p.

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Feature comparison

Apart from body and sensor, cameras can and do differ across a range of features. The D30 and the G12 are similar in the sense that both have an optical viewfinder. The latter is useful for getting a clear image for framing even in brightly lit environments. The following table reports on some other key feature differences and similarities of the Canon D30, the Canon G12, and comparable cameras.

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Core Features
  empty Camera
Model
Viewfinder
(Type or
000 dots)
Control
Panel
(yes/no)
LCD
Specifications
(inch/000 dots)
LCD
Attach-
ment
Touch
Screen
(yes/no)
Max
Shutter
Speed *
Max
Shutter
Flaps *
Built-in
Flash
(yes/no)
Built-in
Image
Stab
1.
 
Canon D30optical Y1.8 / 114 fixed n 1/4000s 3.0/s Y n
2.
 
Canon G12optical n2.8 / 461 swivel n 1/4000s 1.1/s Y Y
3.
 
Canon 10Doptical Y1.8 / 118 fixed n 1/4000s 3.0/s Y n
4.
 
Canon 20Doptical Y1.8 / 118 fixed n 1/8000s 5.0/s Y n
5.
 
Canon 30Doptical Y2.5 / 230 fixed n 1/8000s 5.0/s Y n
6.
 
Canon 40Doptical Y3.0 / 230 fixed n 1/8000s 6.5/s Y n
7.
 
Canon 80Doptical Y3.0 / 1040 swivel Y 1/8000s 7.0/s Y n
8.
 
Canon D60optical Y1.8 / 114 fixed n 1/4000s 3.0/s Y n
9.
 
Canon G15optical n3.0 / 922 fixed n 1/4000s 2.1/s Y Y
10.
 
Canon G16optical n3.0 / 922 fixed n 1/4000s 2.2/s Y Y
11.
 
Canon SL2optical n3.0 / 1040 swivel Y 1/4000s 5.0/s Y n
12.
 
Canon Rebeloptical n1.8 / 118 fixed n 1/4000s 2.5/s Y n
13.
 
Canon T7optical n3.0 / 920 fixed n 1/4000s 3.0/s Y n
14.
 
Canon T7ioptical n3.0 / 1040 swivel Y 1/4000s 6.0/s Y n
15.
 
Fujifilm X10optical n2.8 / 460 fixed n 1/4000s 10.0/s Y Y
16.
 
Olympus E-450optical n2.7 / 215 fixed n 1/4000s 3.5/s Y n
17.
 
Panasonic G21440 n3.0 / 460 swivel Y 1/4000s 2.6/s Y n
Note: *) Information refers to the mechanical shutter, unless the camera only has an electronic one.

One feature that is present on the D30, but is missing on the G12 is a top-level LCD. While being, of course, smaller than the rear screen, the control panel conveys some of the essential shooting information and can be convenient for quick and easy settings verification.

The D30 writes its imaging data to Compact Flash cards, while the G12 uses SDXC cards.

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Connectivity comparison

For some imaging applications, the extent to which a camera can communicate with its environment can be an important aspect in the camera decision process. The table below provides an overview of the connectivity of the Canon EOS-D30 and Canon PowerShot G12 and, in particular, the interfaces the cameras (and selected comparators) provide for accessory control and data transfer.

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Input-Output Connections
  empty Camera
Model
Hotshoe
Port
Internal
Mic / Speaker
Microphone
Port
Headphone
Port
HDMI
Port
USB
Port
WiFi
Support
NFC
Support
Bluetooth
Support
1.
 
Canon D30Y- / ----1.0---
2.
 
Canon G12Ystereo / mono--mini2.0---
3.
 
Canon 10DY- / ----1.1---
4.
 
Canon 20DY- / ----1.1---
5.
 
Canon 30DY- / ----2.0---
6.
 
Canon 40DY- / ----2.0---
7.
 
Canon 80DYstereo / monoYYmini2.0YY-
8.
 
Canon D60Y- / ----1.1---
9.
 
Canon G15Ystereo / mono--mini2.0---
10.
 
Canon G16Ystereo / mono--mini2.0Y--
11.
 
Canon SL2Ystereo / monoY-mini2.0YYY
12.
 
Canon RebelY- / ----1.1---
13.
 
Canon T7Ymono / mono--mini2.0YY-
14.
 
Canon T7iYstereo / monoY-mini2.0YYY
15.
 
Fujifilm X10Ystereo / mono--mini2.0---
16.
 
Olympus E-450Y- / ----2.0---
17.
 
Panasonic G2Ystereo / mono--mini2.0---

Studio photographers will appreciate that the Canon D30 (unlike the G12) features a PC Sync socket, so that professional strobe lights can be controlled by the camera.

Both the D30 and the G12 have been discontinued, but can regularly be found used on ebay. The D30 was replaced by the Canon D60, while the G12 was followed by the Canon G15. Further information on the features and operation of the D30 and G12 can be found, respectively, in the Canon D30 Manual (free pdf) or the online Canon G12 Manual.

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Review summary

So what conclusions can be drawn? Is there a clear favorite between the Canon D30 and the Canon G12? Which camera is better? The listing below highlights the relative strengths of the two models.


Arguments in favor of the Canon EOS-D30:

  • Better image quality: Features bigger pixels on a larger sensor for higher quality imaging.
  • Richer colors: The pixel size advantage translates into images with better, more accurate colors.
  • More dynamic range: Larger pixels capture a wider spectrum of light and dark details.
  • Better low-light sensitivity: Larger pixels means good image quality even under poor lighting.
  • Easier setting verification: Features an LCD display on top to control shooting parameters.
  • Faster burst: Shoots at higher frequency (3 vs 1.1 flaps/sec) to capture the decisive moment.
  • More flexible: Can take a variety of interchangeable lenses, including specialty optics.
  • Longer lasting: Can take more shots (540 versus 370) on a single battery charge.
  • Better studio light control: Has a PC Sync socket to connect to professional strobe lights.
  • More heavily discounted: Has been available for much longer (launched in May 2000).


Reasons to prefer the Canon PowerShot G12:

  • More detail: Has more megapixels (10 vs 3.1MP), which boosts linear resolution by 76%.
  • Broader imaging potential: Can capture not only stills but also 720/24p video.
  • Larger screen: Has a bigger rear LCD (2.8" vs 1.8") for image review and settings control.
  • More detailed LCD: Has a higher resolution rear screen (461k vs 114k dots).
  • More flexible LCD: Has a swivel screen for odd-angle shots in portrait or landscape orientation.
  • Ready to shoot: Comes with an integrated lens, while the D30 requires a separate lens.
  • More compact: Is smaller (112x76mm vs 150x107mm) and will fit more readily into a bag.
  • Less heavy: Has a lower weight even though it has a lens built in (unlike the D30).
  • Sharper images: Has stabilization technology built-in to reduce the impact of hand-shake.
  • Faster data transfer: Supports a more advanced USB protocol (2.0 vs 1.0).
  • More affordable: Was introduced at a lower price, despite coming with a built-in lens.
  • More modern: Reflects 10 years and 4 months of technical progress since the D30 launch.

If the count of relative strengths (bullet points above) is taken as a measure, the G12 emerges as the winner of the match-up (12 : 10 points). However, the pertinence of the various camera strengths will differ across photographers, so that you might want to weigh individual camera traits according to their importance for your own imaging needs before making a camera decision. A professional wedding photographer will view the differences between cameras in a way that diverges from the perspective of a travel photog, and a person interested in cityscapes has distinct needs from a macro shooter. Hence, the decision which camera is best and worth buying is often a very personal one.

D30 10:12 G12

How about other alternatives? Do the specifications of the Canon D30 and the Canon G12 place the cameras among the top in their class? Find out in the latest Best DSLR Camera and Best Travel-Zoom Camera listings whether the two cameras rank among the cream of the crop.

In any case, while the specs-based evaluation of cameras can be instructive in revealing their potential as photographic tools, it says little about, for example, the shooting experience and imaging performance of the D30 and the G12 in practical situations. At times, user reviews, such as those published at amazon, address these issues in a useful manner, but such feedback is on many occasions incomplete, inconsistent, and unreliable.

Expert reviews

This is why hands-on reviews by experts are important. The adjacent summary-table relays the overall verdicts of several of the most popular camera review sites (amateurphotographer [AP], cameralabs [CL], digitalcameraworld [DCW], dpreview [DPR], ephotozine [EPZ], photographyblog [PB]). As can be seen, the professional reviewers agree in many cases on the quality of different cameras, but sometimes their assessments diverge, reinforcing the earlier point that a camera decision is often a very personal choice.

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Expert Camera Reviews
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 Model 
 AP 
 score 
 CL 
 score 
 DCW 
 score 
 DPR 
 score 
 EPZ 
 score 
 PB 
 score 
Camera
Launch
Launch
Price (USD)
Street
Price
1.
 
Canon D30......+ +.... May 2000 2,999ebay.com
2.
 
Canon G124/5+..73/1004.5/54.5/5 Sep 2010 499ebay.com
3.
 
Canon 10D......+ +.... Feb 2003 1,999ebay.com
4.
 
Canon 20D......+ +.... Aug 2004 1,499ebay.com
5.
 
Canon 30D..+ +..+ +o.. Feb 2006 1,399ebay.com
6.
 
Canon 40D..+ +..+ +4.5/54.5/5 Aug 2007 1,299ebay.com
7.
 
Canon 80D4/5+ +4.5/584/1004.5/54.5/5 Feb 2016 1,199ebay.com
8.
 
Canon D60......+ +o.. Feb 2002 2,999ebay.com
9.
 
Canon G154/5+..76/1004.5/54.5/5 Sep 2012 499ebay.com
10.
 
Canon G164/5+....4.5/54.5/5 Aug 2013 549ebay.com
11.
 
Canon SL24/5+ +4/578/1004.5/54.5/5 Jun 2017 549ebay.com
12.
 
Canon Rebel......+ +.... Aug 2003 899ebay.com
13.
 
Canon T7..o3.5/5..3.5/53.5/5 Feb 2018 449 amazon.com
14.
 
Canon T7i4.5/5..3.5/580/1004.5/54/5 Feb 2017 749ebay.com
15.
 
Fujifilm X10......76/1004/54.5/5 Sep 2011 599ebay.com
16.
 
Olympus E-450........4/54/5 Mar 2009 499ebay.com
17.
 
Panasonic G2......72/1004/54.5/5 Mar 2010 599ebay.com
Note: (+ +) highly recommended; (+) recommended; (o) reviewed; (..) not available.

Care should be taken when interpreting the review scores above, though. The assessments were made in relation to similar cameras of the same technological generation. A score, therefore, has to be seen in close connection to the price and market introduction time of the camera, and rating-comparisons among cameras that span long time periods or concern very differently equipped models make little sense. Also, kindly note that some of the listed sites have over time developped their review approaches and their reporting style.

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    Specifications: Canon D30 vs Canon G12

    Below is a side-by-side comparison of the specs of the two cameras to facilitate a quick review of their differences and common features.

    Camera Specifications
    Camera Model Canon D30 Canon G12
    Camera Type Digital single lens reflex Fixed lens compact camera
    Camera Lens Canon EF mount lenses 28-140mm f/2.8-4.5
    Launch Date May 2000 September 2010
    Launch Price USD 2,999 USD 499
    Sensor Specs Canon D30 Canon G12
    Sensor Technology CMOS CCD
    Sensor Format APS-C Sensor 1/1.7" Sensor
    Sensor Size 22.0 x 14.9 mm 7.6 x 5.7 mm
    Sensor Area 327.8 mm2 43.32 mm2
    Sensor Diagonal 26.6 mm 9.5 mm
    Crop Factor 1.6x 4.6x
    Sensor Resolution 3.1 Megapixels 10 Megapixels
    Image Resolution 2160 x 1440 pixels 3648 x 2736 pixels
    Pixel Pitch 10.29 μm 2.07 μm
    Pixel Density 0.95 MP/cm2 23.04 MP/cm2
    Moiré control Anti-Alias filter Anti-Alias filter
    Movie Capability no Video 720/24p Video
    ISO Setting 100 - 1,600 ISO 80 - 3,200 ISO
    ISO Boost no Enhancement 80 - 12,800 ISO
    DXO Sensor Quality (score) .. 47
    DXO Color Depth (bits) .. 20.4
    DXO Dynamic Range (EV) .. 11.2
    DXO Low Light (ISO) .. 161
    Screen Specs Canon D30 Canon G12
    Viewfinder Type Optical viewfinder Optical viewfinder
    Viewfinder Field of View 95%
    Viewfinder Magnification 0.54x
    Top-Level Screen Control Panel no Top Display
    LCD Framing Live View
    Rear LCD Size 1.8inch 2.8inch
    LCD Resolution 114k dots 461k dots
    LCD Attachment Fixed screen Swivel screen
    Shooting Specs Canon D30 Canon G12
    Focus System Phase-detect AF Contrast-detect AF
    Continuous Shooting 3 shutter flaps/s 1.1 shutter flaps/s
    Fill Flash Built-in Flash Built-in Flash
    Storage Medium CF cards SDXC cards
    Single or Dual Card Slots Single card slot Single card slot
    Connectivity Specs Canon D30 Canon G12
    External Flash Hotshoe Hotshoe
    Studio Flash PC Sync socket no PC Sync
    USB Connector USB 1.0 USB 2.0
    HDMI Port no HDMI mini HDMI
    Wifi Support no Wifi no Wifi
    Body Specs Canon D30 Canon G12
    Battery Type Canon BP-511 Canon NB-7L
    Battery Life (CIPA)540 shots per charge370 shots per charge
    Body Dimensions 150 x 107 x 75 mm
    (5.9 x 4.2 x 3.0 in)
    112 x 76 x 48 mm
    (4.4 x 3.0 x 1.9 in)
    Camera Weight 750 g (26.5 oz) 401 g (14.1 oz)
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